Jim said that in the spring of 1987 FOX offered Howard a TV show deal. Don Buchwald talked about the one or two guys who came to them and offered them the shot. He said that one of the guys was Garth Ancier. The other one was Kevin Windam and both of them were huge Howard Stern fans.

Howard said that they offered him the shot at taking over Joan Rivers' show at the time. Howard said that they went out there to watch the show and Joan had a guy on the show who grew the largest pumpkin. Howard told the execs that this was all bullshit and he would do things a lot differently. Howard said he had ideas for Richard Simmons as a guest and told the guys what he'd be talking to him about.

Howard said he met Rupert Murdoch and was offered a job where they were going to give him a 13 week shot at doing a show. Howard said there was no way he was going to give up his radio show so he didn't want to take the deal they offered him. Don said that led to them offering Howard some other local shows.

Howard said they gave him a shot at doing some test shots at doing some guerilla TV over at the local FOX studios. Howard said he had a lot of ideas and he went in and shot the pilots. He said they were very outrageous and ambitious.

That led into a clip from the FOX pilots. We heard Howard talking about how bad he looked for the show and how he clipped his nasal hairs for a few hours trying to look good. Howard introduced Robin and the crowd there cheered for her. Howard talked about how he wasn't worried about what happened because he'd just stay on radio.

After that we heard Gary talking about how they had a team of writers over there and another producer. He said Howard said he wanted Fred and Jackie in there so they got them on board. We heard from Jackie who talked about the way they got in on that gig and how they ended up writing the whole show because the TV writers had no idea how Howard worked.

Fred said that they shot an open for the FOX show where they had ''Talk show host in a box'' and it was Jackie and Fred dressed as moving men and they had to move Howard into this building and it was just bad Abbot and Costello. Fred said they drop the box and end up turning the talk show host into Howard from another talk show host who turned out to be Matt Lauer.

Jim Forbes said that Howard had his parents in the audience at the shows and they were allowed to stop the show at any time and interrupt. Ben said that Howard offered Ray a fur coat back then for doing that but she never did see one. Ray said that she did get to see some fur coats and tried some on so that was fun.

We heard a clip from one of the FOX pilots where Howard spoke to his mother in the audience. He warned her that he could shut her up at any minute.

We heard from Howard again talking about the way his mother used to freak out when he'd threaten to get an ear ring. Howard said she used to whine like a Billy goat saying ''Nooooo, not my ear!'' when he's threaten that. We heard Ray talking about the tattoo that Howard got on his finger for his wedding and how she's going to keep her mouth shut about that. Ben said Howard is rebelling and getting all of that stuff done that he held off on doing for years.

In another old clip we heard Dee Snider talking to Howard about the ear ring. They bring a guy out with a bunch of ear rings and his mother is trying to interrupt the show telling him that she doesn't want him getting any ear rings. Howard told his mom that he's 33 years old and he should be allowed to get an ear ring. The audience started cheering ''Ear ring! ear ring!'' over and over again. Howard said he felt bad about getting one with his mother being so against it. Howard and Dee talked to his parents for a couple of minutes about it but Ray wanted nothing to do with him getting one.

Jim Forbes talked about the many guests that appeared on those pilot shows including Joe Piscopo. They had some audio of Joe talking about Howard's shows and how he was willing to go on the shows and he'd be really honest during the interviews.

We heard a clip of Joe Piscopo on the pilot show he was on where he performed a song for them. Joe sang a Frank Sinatra song. After Joe performed Howard joked that they had just been canceled.

After that clip we heard Howard talking about how most talk shows work and how they were way over the top with the stuff they would do. Howard said that on one show they turned it into a People's Court type of thing with his wife and Dee's wife arguing about something. Dee said that his wife had done something to Howard's wife's hair and she had to get it all cut off. They held court there on the show and the loser had to wear a French Maid's outfit for the rest of the show. Dee said his wife ended up losing and had to wear the outfit.

Howard said he learned a lot over there at those pilot shows. He said he learned how to do some stuff while they shot it. David Brenner said that the set was really loud and it was kind of bizarre when they were doing it. Jackie said that he was under Howard's desk handing him notes on his lap during the show. He said he put most of it on his lap and there was a hole there for him to pass stuff through. He said Howard ended up pulling his hand through the desk when Jackie Mason was on one of the shows.

We heard a clip from SIRIUS where Gary said that Joe Walsh came in to do one of the shows and ended up being really late and passed out on the floor in the studio while they shot the show. Howard said Joe was behind his desk that day and fell asleep there. Gary said that Joe had done an amazing version of ''Rocky Mountain Way'' during rehearsal. He said Joe ended up pulling out a trombone during the later performance and tried playing one for the first time.

Robin talked about how messed up Joe was that day and how Leslie West got upset about the way things were going. She said that Leslie kept running in trying to get someone to control the guy. Joe Walsh also said that some of them can handle their alcohol and some can't. He said that it was probably a nightmare for Howard back then but Leslie West can party with the best. He said that they were all getting wrecked back then and they really didn't care if they were wrecked in public or not. He said it was great for the show but he's not sure how Howard felt about it.

Dee Snider talked about Joe hitting on his wife back then. He said Joe apologized when he found out it was his wife. Dee said he doesn't know what happened to those FOX pilots.

They went into a K-Rock clip where Howard took a call from a guy who asked if the TV shows were going to be shown in Philly. Howard said he wasn't sure if they were ever going to air. Howard told the guy they were waiting to edit the shows and find out if FOX was going to pick it up. He said he didn't think they had anything to lose by not airing it.

We heard Robin talking about how they weren't able to get things to sound and look quite the way they wanted them to. The show ended up going nowhere. Fred said that it was fun being part of the show and giving that a try. Sometimes it was interesting and fun and they did have that shot at making it. Howard said that they weren't the best looking shows and they should have concentrated on making one good show.

Don Buchwald said that they didn't pick up the shows because of political reasons. He said that there were enough nay sayers there at FOX to stop it from being picked up. Leslie West and David Brenner talked about what they knew about the show not being picked up. Brenner said that he thinks that if Howard had been picked up, it would have been great. He said that it just wasn't done the right way.

Jackie the Joke Man said that they had to be kind of fun because it was the gang from the radio show just doing a TV show. Robin said it was disappointing when they found out that they weren't going to see the light of day. She said that she never even saw a full episode after they were shot. She said they worked really hard on those shows. Gary said that they really did put a lot of work into those shows and he later found out that Rupert Murdoch really hated Howard and he was never going to let them see the light of day.

Fred said that he thinks that there may have only been one episode out of the 5 pilots they shot that they could have aired. He said he wasn't sure how long they would have lasted there if they had gotten the go ahead to do it.

Howard talked about how he was experimenting back then and that's what FOX told him to do with those shows. He said he should have concentrated on doing one thing instead but he didn't want people to get bored with the shows. He said they were a good experiment for him though. Howard said the shows were all over the place and they really didn't have any staff there. He said they would have needed a bigger budget to make it right.

We heard another clip from K-Rock where Howard talked about his big ratings and the bad articles that came out about the TV show pilots. Howard was telling Robin that his family was asking about the pilots and how the newspaper articles were lame. Howard complained about the guy who wrote this article he was talking about and went off on him a little bit. The guy was George Maxian. Howard said the guy was saying that the pilots weren't picked up and making it seem like people would know about the shows even though they never aired.

Howard read the article and said that George is asking about what happened to those pilots. Howard said he has been saying that they'd never see the light of day. He said that there were many reasons for that too. He ended up going off on the people at FOX saying that none of their shows have more than a 2 share. He said that they could have made back their money if they had aired those pilots. He said that they picked up the Tracy Ullman show instead. Howard said that they're a bunch of douches over there.

Howard took some phone calls about the TV shows. One caller complained about the people clapping in the background. Howard said that gives him a spurt or a juice and he's the one usually clapping. The caller didn't believe it was actually Howard. Howard said it was him cheering for himself. Howard said it's kind of like when the morning zoo hits the drum. Then Howard said that the noise is actually Robin slapping her head trying to stay awake during the show.

Howard went on to explain what happened with the FOX shows and how there were some people there who believed in him and thought he was a good prospect for a TV show. Howard said that he signed a contract with them and all hell broke loose. The FCC decided to go after him that same day he signed the contract. Howard said he thinks that killed his TV deal. Howard said that Rupert Murdoch, the owner of FOX, caught wind of all of this stuff. He said Rupert doesn't know what's going on there and when he found out what was going on he didn't let them pick up the show. Howard said he could drag out this discussion for 3 hours if he had to.

Howard said that the FCC ended up winning the battle because he has been denied. He said the TV shows were very clean and there was nothing obscene or dirty... just like his radio show isn't obscene or dirty. Howard said that he would be off the air already if it was. He said that he thinks this may have had something to do with this Cardinal who knows Rupert Murdoch getting a hold of him and telling him not to air the shows. Howard said that they forget that Murdoch puts out a newspaper that has women's breasts exposed. He also pointed out that they trash celebrities in those papers.

Howard went on to say that he thinks Rupert Murdoch told his people that they are not going to do business with him no matter what. He said they could have recouped their money for those pilots if they had just thrown them on the air. Howard did that for a few minutes before they went to break.

After that clip we heard Robin talking about how they had a lot of trouble with the preachers and evangelists trying to get them off the air back then. When they would fall over something hypocritical like that, they loved it.

They went into another K-Rock clip where Howard played a song parody about Jim Baker that they had created with the band Pig Vomit and Fred on vocals. They did that one to the tune of ''Imagine.'' The song was about Jim Baker screwing around with Jessica Hahn of course. Fred said that it was called ''Imagine If I Were Jim Baker.''

Jim Forbes came back on and said that they didn't know that Jessica Hahn would come on the show eventually and start a very strange and unusual relationship that continues to this day. We heard from Howard about that for a second and then Jessica talking about what was going on back then. She said that she used to watch the TV crews on her front lawn on TV. Robin said that Jessica had reporters camping out on her lawn and she wasn't even able to open her door. Jessica said that she would have people planting microphones on flowers that were delivered to her house and stuff like that.

Gary said he got Jessica's number from someone and they tried calling her one day. Jessica said she thought it was a family member calling that day because they did have her private number.

After that they played a clip from K-Rock where Howard made that call to Jessica. Howard made the call and got Jessica's voice mail. Howard started to leave a message but Jessica ended up picking up the phone in the middle of the message. Howard told Jessica that he felt bad about what happened to her. Jessica told Howard that she listens to the show and she's a fan. She wasn't sure that it was actually him though. Comedian Emo Phillips was sitting in that day too.

In the clip Howard told Jessica that the PTL should still be paying her for what they did to her. He asked Jessica if she lives in a trailer thing out there. Jessica said that it was a two family house and she was just there temporarily. Jessica talked about how strange things were for her. Howard told her not to pose for Penthouse so she said she wouldn't do that. Howard offered her a trip somewhere if she wanted it. Jessica didn't want to take anything.

Howard told Jessica that she should write a book or do a movie or something. Howard said he would be in the movie if she wanted. He said he looks kind of like her with sunglasses on and he could probably play her in the movie.

Howard tried to set Jessica up to do a Dial-A-Date on his show. Jessica thought it would be best not to get involved with another man at that point. Howard spent a few more minutes talking to Jessica about what was going on with her and suggesting that she write a book again. Robin told Howard to lock up the rights to the book. Howard said he could do that and then take it to Dick Clark and peddle it with him.

After that clip we heard Jessica talking about how K-Rock wanted to send her to Aruba for a vacation. She said that she was calling into the show almost every day back then and the media were getting their information from listening to it. Howard had the exclusives. Gary and Robin talked about how cool it was that Jessica was talking to them and no one else at the time.

Howard talked about the way things happened back then and how he was able to make news for getting Jessica on the show. He said it was a big deal back then for them to have her on the air. Howard said he liked her very much when he got to know her and he was surprised by that. Jessica said that people would throw rocks at her window when she'd call into Howard. The press wanted her to talk to them but she was only talking to Howard. Jessica said that Howard was a decent guy and never asked for anything from her.

Howard said that Jessica spoke out and hung out with them and it was a whole saga that played out on the air. He said that Jessica was always good radio.

They played another K-Rock clip where Howard talked about how they had sent this guy Dave out to cover the Jessica Hahn press conference. Howard said he was on the phone to the lawyer that Jessica got to handle her case. He said the guy is a divorce lawyer but he seems like a decent human being. Howard said the guy was setting up some stuff for her and it sounds good. Howard said they have some kind of plan mapped out for her. That means that he can't talk to Jessica without this lawyer though.

Jim Forbes came on and said that the lawyer Howard was talking about turned out to be Dominic Barbara, another person who became a good friend of the show. We heard from Dominic about how that was his first national case and how that turned out to be a very positive experience. Jessica said that Howard and Dominic hit it off after that so that worked out well too. She said that she had no problems with Dominic either so that worked out for her too.

Dominic talked about the deals he worked out for Jessica back then and how he used to call his mother and tell her that he was making deals with Hugh Hefner for Jessica.

Richard Belzer talked about Gilbert on radio programs and how he really doesn't care what he says. He said that Howard knows how to handle him the right way though.

Howard talked about what a kick he gets out of Gilbert when he's on the show. Dee Snider also said that he loves Gilbert on the show and he never got to be on a show with him. He said that he'd love to just riff with that crazy motherfucker. Dee was saying that Howard thinks that Gilbert is really funny and you can tell when he's laughing at Gilbert when he is on. He does have to keep his visits to a minimum because some people can only take him in small doses.

Gilbert said that he has lost a lot of jobs because of the Stern Show. He said that a lot of people get work because of the show but he loses work. Gilbert said that his agent will call him and say that someone heard him on Howard and they will cancel the work they had offered him.

That led into a K-Rock clip where Howard had Gilbert come in for the first time. Gilbert came in and talked about some stuff he was involved with. He also pointed out that Robin was almost in another building and not in the same studio with Howard. Howard said that's because he passes wind and doesn't want Robin smelling that.

Howard was talking cars with Gilbert when they ended up on the Munster's car. Fred knew that it was a custom car made by George Barris so Gilbert started goofing on him saying that they'd like to know everything he knows about the Addams Family as well. Howard warned him not to goof on Fred because Fred would rip his head off.

Howard said that they got Gilbert breakfast and he had demanded it before he came in. Gilbert said that he eats early in the morning so he asked for something to eat. Gilbert said it looked really good to him. Howard said he could feel his arteries hardening as they spoke.

Howard asked Gilbert if he listens to them. Gilbert said he does, constantly. He was probably joking about that.

Howard told Gilbert about how he has to watch stuff with his kids and how he had to watch the Pee Wee Herman movie the night before. Howard said he doesn't want to watch it 900 times though. He said he'd rather watch the news so he can get ideas for the show. Howard said they claim they have the best night life there in New York City but he's not sure what he would do. Howard said that Gilbert spends a lot of time in his bedroom at his mother's house. Howard said he gets that and understands it. He said that you can get some great ideas from watching TV.

Robin told Gilbert he should go out sometimes. Gilbert wasn't sure what he would do if he went out. Robin said he could drink. Gilbert said he can drink at home. Robin said he could go to an amusement park, street fairs and stuff like that too. Howard asked Gilbert when he's going to have kids and a wife. Gilbert said he would do that as soon as the guy got away from behind his chair.

Howard talked to Gilbert about working with Jackie. Gilbert claims he hardly knows Jackie even though Jackie says he's good friends with him. Howard took some phone calls and Gilbert ended up goofing on the first caller who didn't seem to know quite what was going on. Howard took some more calls and put people on hold too goof on them. Howard got back to one caller who asked Howard if he preferred Howard or ''Mr. Stern.'' Howard said he'll take anything other than ''Howchie'' which is what his family calls him.

The caller said that Howard seemed intimidated with Gilbert there. Howard told the guy to eat him. He said he might be intimidated but he doesn't have to point it out. Howard said he was trying to interview the guy and wasn't trying to one up the guy. Howard said this caller was a dick. He said this is the same guy who saw him out on the street and called him a schmuck. He went off on the guy about that. The caller was upset that they weren't letting him talk. Howard said that's because he's a jerk.

Howard said he wanted to let his guest talk but this guy won't let him do that. The caller wouldn't stop talking so Howard had to yell at him to stop. Howard said that guys like this caller make it hard for him to do the show and interview guests. The guy kept talking over Howard so he was going to put him on hold. Gilbert kept goofing on the guy talking over him as he was trying to say what he wanted to say. Gilbert had Howard laughing during that stuff. Howard put the guy on hold so he could get back to him later.

After an edited out segment we heard Howard talking to the same caller and asking him why he was talking over them. The caller said that Howard does the same thing and doesn't let anyone talk. Howard said he must not hear him when he speaks. The guy said he forgot what he was going to talk about. Gilbert ended up talking over the guy again when he was trying to get his comments out. Howard asked Gilbert to let the guy speak but then Howard started talking over the guy himself. Howard ended up hanging up on the guy when he was about to say what he wanted to say.

Later on in that show Howard was saying goodbye to Gilbert. Gilbert was telling Howard he had to get out of there so he could go rest his voice. Howard goofed on Gilbert about that for a short time. Howard thanked Gilbert for dropping by and had Gary come in and take him out to cut some IDs. Howard said it would have been fun to do news with Gilbert but he was in a rush to get out of there so he could rest his voice. Howard said he's never heard that excuse from anyone before. Howard thought Gilbert was great on the show.

After that we heard from Gilbert who said that first appearance was great. He said he used to just walk over and do the show back in those days when he wanted to sit in. He said he'd just walk in and did that a lot. He said that Jackie was kind of strange back then because he had condoms on his fingers and that was very odd. They had to break after that.

That led into a clip from K-Rock where Howard and the guys were doing their show out at the Emmys and talking about how they get too feisty when they go out like that. Howard sent Gary up to try and get an interview with Grant Tinker. Gary said that Tinker blew him off and said he didn't have time to do an interview.

We heard from Robin again talking about the way Howard used to shout on his megaphone to get people's attention since no one was coming over to do their show. She said that he would interrupt other shows and they would get roughed up by people who were trying to get their work done. Gary said those people just hated them.

Gary said there was one guy with an eye patch who turned to them and told them to take their experiment somewhere else. Howard said that it was embarrassing to go to the events and be the object of everyone's scorn. Howard said he eventually decided to stop being that asshole.

In another K-Rock clip Howard was talking about how they were hated by everyone and they were the pimple on the corporate ass. Howard said they have ruined their careers out there.

They had another clip of Gary talking about those days and how Letterman ended up coming in and recognized Howard. The people saw they were buddies and everyone left them alone after that. Gary said he thinks Dave's line was ''Most people rent tuxedos, Howard rents hair.''

They went into another K-Rock Emmy show where Howard was talking about how David Letterman was coming in and he wanted to ask him some questions. Howard said that at least Letterman knows him since he's on his show every other week.

Howard listened in as David Letterman was being introduced at the show. Howard asked Dave why he hadn't called him and the room erupted. David made a joke about Howard's hair and then told him that he'd have him on in a couple of weeks. Howard and Dave screwed around for a few seconds before Dave got back to doing what he was supposed to do up on stage. Howard said that they should try and bring Letterman over after he did his press conference thing up there.

Howard waited for Dave to do his thing but Dave made another reference to him being in the room so Howard seemed excited about that. Howard said it was a lot of pressure being there at the Emmys. Robin said he was handling it just fine and got that first question in with Dave. Howard listened in to Dave doing his thing and then asked him to come over to talk to them. Dave did come over and spent a few minutes talking to them about his Emmy win.

Howard apologized to Dave about using their private phone conversations on the air. Dave said that Howard is very entertaining and inventive but he's also a bone head. He said that he has to lose that part of the show. Dave said that he does listen to the show a few times a week and enjoys it on his drive into work.

Howard told Dave that he did something stupid. Dave asked how they got credentials to get in there. Howard said that they've almost been kicked out a few times already. Howard said that he agreed to be on that late show on FOX and he was afraid he was going to upset him about that. Howard said he had to be a guest on that show but he's just going to go on and yell about FOX. Dave said that Robin is still welcome on the show. Dave told Howard he was being a bone head again. Dave was ushered out of there a short time later. Howard talked about how he had to kiss that man's ass a lot.

They played some audio from K-Rock where Howard talked about that appearance on Arsenio Hall's show. Howard told Robin that he's not sure what happened out there. Robin said that Howard was on that Late Show with Arsenio Hall. Howard said that the guy is the biggest jerk. Howard told her about what went on at the show and said that you don't go on a TV interview show with someone who is trying to be funny. He said that he had so much to talk about there.

Here's some of what I wrote up from the Mastertape Theater play of this 1987 show from back in March of 2008:

Howard also said that the audience wasn't full either. He said there was a whole section that was empty because who is going to go see Arsenio Hall? He said that his opening jokes weren't funny but the audience was still wooing and hooting at him. He said it reminded him of going to a black theater to see a movie.

Howard said he felt like he was set up for that show. He said it felt like being on a ship and going down with it as it sunk. He didn't plan on being that outrageous. He just wanted to be interviewed. He said he tried to walk off at one point but they took him and threw him back into his seat.

Howard talked about how Arsenio seems to be trying to be just like his pal Eddie Murphy and it's just not working. He said that Arsenio kept saying that he was making more money than he was and it was like he was obsessed with that. Howard said that he's a radio guy so of course he's not going to be making that kind of money.

Howard said that Arsenio was doing that black accent that was so lame and he wanted to tell him he was offending him with that. Robin said that it's as bad as her black accent. Howard said he was sitting there thinking that the show was so lame that he wanted to get out of there. Meanwhile the audience was yelling stuff out at him. Gary said that he was getting heckled through the whole show.

Howard said that you never see white people heckling black people like that on a show. He said that he did mention Oprah at one point and got some applause. He said that she's doing a new thing on her show where she sits around eating her lunch with some friends. Robin said that's what Ronna Barrett used to do on her show.

During that segment the Tapes crew sprinkled in some clips from the Arsenio appearance. After the clip we heard Howard talking about how he shakes after doing a show like that Arsenio show. He said that ultimately it's funny but it wasn't a great place to be that day when they physically dragged him out of there. Howard said he felt like a little kid in trouble when that happened. He said he didn't know what the consequences were going to be. Gary sleeping on the plane next to him after that was the worst.

After that we heard a more current K-Rock clip with Howard telling the guys about that Arsenio Hall show appearance. Howard talked about Gary falling asleep on the flight home and how he bumped him up to first class so he could have someone to talk to. He said that Gary slept the whole flight and the one time he did wake up, he woke up smacking his lips and said ''My mouth is dry... I need orange juice.'' Howard said he turned right over and fell back asleep after that. Gary said that the one part he got wrong was how loud his lip smacking was. Gary said that his girlfriend at the time loved hearing that lip smacking because she knew what that was like.

In the clip Artie was laughing as Howard was telling these stories. Howard said that he tried to wake Gary up during the flight but nothing worked. He said Gary just woke up that one time to smack his lips and ask for orange juice.

They played a K-Rock clip where Howard had Jessica on the show for the first time. Howard got up and gave her a hug when she came in. He also got her some flowers. Jessica told Howard that he's so great. She had a bunch of people from Playboy with her since she had done a layout for them. Howard asked her how he was looking. Jessica said he looked great.

Howard told Jessica that she didn't have to know these other two guys in the studio, Jackie and Fred, because they're just riff raff. Jessica said that she's so glad she got to come in and see him on the show. She said she came all the way back to New York just for him.

Howard and Jessica spent a few minutes talking about their old talks on the show and how much Howard helped Jessica out.

We heard a more current clip of Jessica talking about the crush she had on Howard and how excited she was to go on the show finally. She said it was like meeting her hero. Dominic Barbara said that she has always had a crush on Howard. Jessica talked about how great Howard always was to her back then.

Howard talked about how he thinks that Jessica was interested in him romantically but he always played it straight and didn't do anything with her. He said that she would offer to rub him down and stuff but he would never let her go too far. She'd even offer to give him a rub and tug but he'd have to turn it down.

Jessica said that they never crossed that line and they probably had so much fun because they knew that they never would cross it.

We heard more of the K-Rock interview with Jessica where she and Howard talked about their attraction for one another. Howard joked that his wife had died and there was no reason that they couldn't date now. Howard said that they had kismet and chemistry.

Jessica was telling Howard that he looked great that morning. Howard said that they could really hit it off and they'd be everyone's media darlings. Howard said that they could walk around town going to movie premiers and stuff. Robin told Howard that he would just be an escort if he did take her out. Jessica said that Howard was like her best friend. Howard said they might have a romance going there.

Dominic Barbara came in after that so Howard spent a few minutes talking to him. Dominic said that he had become a celebrity and it was because of Howard. Howard wanted to kick everyone out of the room so he could be alone with Jessica. Howard told her that it had been great with her. Jessica said that the listeners have been great too. Howard said they're morons. They played Jessica out after that. They took a break after playing that segment.

Howard said he doesn't think that his parents taught him very well with the wiping stuff. Howard said his mother told him to wear her underwear instead that day. Howard said she would never say anything about cleaning the stuff out of his underwear, she'd just clean it and hang it in his bathroom. He said that was pretty embarrassing so he would just take the dirty ones and bury them in the back yard.

Howard's mother, Ray, called in and said that he should have the courtesy of calling her first before telling these stories that he's fabricating. She said that he's making all of this up. Howard said that he remembers it that way and that she gave him her underwear to wear. Ray said that just wasn't true. Howard said it was true and it was traumatic to him. She said that she never would have given him her underwear.

Howard said he'd swear on a stack of bibles that she did have him wearing her panties. Howard said he wasn't making this story up and he told it to Robin back in Washington DC. Robin didn't remember that. Howard said he drew the line at wearing her sanitary belt.

Howard told his mommy that he remembers wearing them and thinking about how bad it would be if anyone saw him wearing them. Ray said that she'd let him wear her panties now. Howard said that back then he was afraid that the other kids would see him and he really didn't want to wear them. He said he went into her room and she had him try on her panties. Howard said that she took his temperature rectally until he was like 18. Ray said that she did that for accuracy and it wasn't until he was 18. Howard said it had to be 15 at least.

Howard said that he thanks God every day that he didn't turn out to be a homosexual after going through all of that stuff. Ray got Ben on the phone to talk to him about this stuff. Ben said that he kind of remembers that incident and confirmed Howard's story. Howard said that he thinks that the story was true. Ben said that it did ring a bell but it was a very innocent thing. Ben said that the fact that he didn't take them off for 3 years is another thing. Robin Leach said it was great that they've learned what makes Howard Stern tick. Howard let his parents go after that.

They played a clip from that day when Howard was taking calls for Rob Lowe's Dial-A-Date. Here's a little bit of what I had from a replay of this segment from back in July of this year:

Howard had Rob Lowe in the studio and took a bunch of calls from women who wanted to go out on a date with him. They asked each of the women some questions about what they would do for Rob on the date. They found some very willing women who were up for just about anything with Rob.

The women told some stories that were pretty graphic. They were a little too much for the air so Howard had to dump out of a few of the conversations they were having.

Howard's mother called in at one point and asked the women of America what was going on with them. She said she couldn't understand why the women were acting this way. She said that they have to uphold their dignity. Howard spent a short time arguing with her about that. He was trying to explain to her that times have changed since she was younger. She didn't seem to get that. Howard told his mom that he respects her and they will stop with the sex talk.

Howard let his mom go and got the girls back on the phone. Some of them felt kind of bad after they heard his mother going off on them. Howard had Rob pick a woman to go out with. Rob ended up picking the third woman they got on the phone. He said he liked all of them but went with her only because they made him choose.

After that clip we heard Gary talking about how they were trying to set up the date with Rob and this girl he picked. Gary said that he wanted the date to happen but Rob's people weren't making it happen. The girl threatened to go to the papers if they didn't make it happen so they did work it out about 2 weeks later.

They played a K-Rock clip of Howard talking to Scott about the new business. Howard said that Scott was telling him that he wasn't getting much personal appearance business so he told him about this business idea he had. Howard told Robin about Scott trying to get into the DJ business. Howard said he had the crappiest deal in the world and he wasn't making any money doing it. Howard told Scott that he should open up his own business and do it.

Scott informed Howard that he didn't have the money to start his own business. Howard suggested he get a loan to pay for it. Scott said he was thinking about it. Howard offered to loan him the money if he would pay him back with some money he makes at his gigs. Scott said he would do that. Howard told him he wasn't going to do that for him. Robin said if they went in on it together they could loan him the money. Scott was up for it.

Howard asked Scott what he would do, would he go to people's houses? Scott said he would play weddings and parties. Howard asked him if he can handle it. Scott said he can do it and he has spun at clubs before. He said he knew how to do it.

Howard told Scott that people probably want a young guy to do the DJ thing, not some bald nudnik. Howard asked Scott what kind of deal he had worked out with this other company. Scott said that they had some stipulations like not letting him work in the area for a year if he left them. Howard said that wasn't a good deal for $50 per show.

Howard joked about the songs that Scott would play and joked that he would play ''Dance or Kill Yourself'' and things like that. Howard said that Scott is a downer most of the time so he's not sure how he'd do as a DJ. Howard told Scott that he'd be moping around if he didn't help him out. Scott said he thinks that this would be great and thousands of people would love to be in his position. Howard said if Scott was a DJ at a party he went to, he'd probably bunny hop right out and to another party.

Howard asked Scott if he will pay them back the way they set up if they do loan him the money. Scott said he will and he'll be honest about it. Scott said he's too stupid to be crooked. Gary wanted in on the deal and said that Scott could get between $300 and $450 to do a wedding.

Howard and the guys worked up a deal with Scott to give him the money if he paid them back with money from every appearance he makes. Howard wanted to make him a partner but Scott didn't want to do that for the rest of his life. Jimmy Fink called in and asked to be part of the deal so Howard just hung up on him. Howard said they have to set this up with a lawyer. Robin said they have to set it up like a corporation. Then they said that they wouldn't do it that official. Howard said he would loan him the money but Robin corrected him and said that they're in business together. Howard said that Scott was going to have to pay them a couple hundred bucks to pay them back for every gig he does.

After that clip we heard Scott talking about how he got $500 from each person and got a total of $3,000 and started his own business. Scott said he hasn't touched any of that stuff in 5 years and he's glad he's done with it.

Sandra Bernhard talked about how Sam wasn't her cup of tea. Penn Gillette talked about doing the Stern Show sober while Sam would come in wasted and he'd be so much faster than him. Penn said that he heard from a doctor that some people operate better on drugs than they do sober.

They played a K-Rock clip where Howard had Sam in the studio talking about doing a lot of drugs and hanging out. He said that he does coke and he could go non-stop with his heart racing. Sam said that he might even have some on him as he spoke. He said he likes to carry illegal drugs and break the law.

Sam talked about his drug use and then said that he was just joking about that trying to sound cool to the kids out there.

Howard said that Sam was there and they waited a long time for him to show up. Sam said that the last time he called in he was in a hotel room with twins. They talked about Richard Belzer losing one of his testicles. Sam said that he almost said ''ball'' while they were talking about that. Howard told him to watch it with that.

Sam ended up going off on Bob Goldthwait when his name came up. Sam said that the guy is a rip off and he hates him. He said he does go to see his movies just so he can say ''Look what you've done to your career!'' and laugh at him. Sam said that they do it for the money but they ruin their careers on that stuff. Sam said you can't do it just for the money. He said you get stuck with that stuff when you do awful movies like ''Police Academy.''

They went to break after that segment.

Jackie the Joke Man talked about liking Mitch and how he thinks that Mitch liked him because he had so many problems with Fred. Jackie said Fred was smoking and didn't want Howard to give him a hard time about that. He asked Mitch to go out and get him cigarettes one day and asked him to keep them hidden from Howard. He said that Fred ended up going off on Mitch one day for leaving them out. Jackie thought it was pretty funny.

We heard Howard talking about this intern Dead Dave who used to work on the show. Howard said he had a friend in college that they called Dead Dave too and he just sounded like he was dead. Howard said the intern sounded the same and they used to send him out to do interviews and stuff. Jackie said he remembered Dead Dave and they called him that because he had no personality. Jackie said he liked the guy but he really had no personality.

They played a K-Rock clip where Howard talked about Dead Dave going out and getting an interview with Dr. Ruth. He played the clip of Dave doing the interview with Dr. Ruth. Dave asked her a question. She didn't want to do a whole long list so Dave figured he had one shot at asking a question. Dr. Ruth told Dave she didn't want to hear his nonsense when he started to ask about anal sex. Howard said that was the real Dr. Ruth coming out in that clip. Howard said that was the funniest thing that he'd ever heard. He was cracking up just thinking about it and said he hadn't laughed that hard in a long time.

Howard sounded surprised that she had turned down a question about anal sex. Howard let Dead Dave go a short time later but he was talking about how Dave will come in and stare at him while he's there. Howard said Dave will be at Gary's desk and he just sits there staring at him. Howard said they really don't have a lot for these people to do so Dave just sits around.

After that we heard Gary talking about how he hated being the jerk going out and asking questions. He said that they had to have other people to do the interviews. Mitch Fatel was one of the people they'd send out. Mitch talked about how he didn't fight it because Howard was his hero and he wanted to do what he could for the show. He just wanted to work for Howard even if it was for free.

Gary said that he used to hate doing those interviews because he used to get the shrapnel of anger that came from these people. Gary said he and Mitch went out to a show to do press one time and they were asking dumb questions and upsetting the people from HBO who let them go out to this event. Gary said that they really upset people when Mitch asked Norman Lear ''Any thoughts on Edgar Rosenberg's death?''

They played a K-Rock clip of Howard playing the audio from that interview. Howard said that they would have been better off just going up and giving the guy a hot foot.

After the clip we heard Mitch talking about how he didn't know what he was doing back then and didn't even know what he had done wrong. Mitch said that he doesn't think that Norman Lear was a fan of his after that. Gary said that Norman wasn't able to get past that question even when other people were asking him questions. Gary said he thinks Lear left the stage all woozy. Gary said that the HBO people asked them to pack up their tape recorder and to stand on the side and not ask anymore questions.

Jim Forbes said that Howard had other ways of catching celebrities off guard. That went into a K-Rock clip where Howard had Sting's hotel phone number and called him early one morning.

In the clip Howard tried to call the hotel but wasn't having any luck making the all. Mitch came in and told Howard that Sting was on the phone and he had just spoken to him. Howard picked up the phone and it turned out it really was Sting. Howard didn't believe it but Mitch believed it was him. He said he just had a feeling it really was him.

Sting told Howard that he lives there in New York so he wouldn't be staying in a hotel. Howard asked the guy some questions to confirm that he was actually Sting. Fred asked him some questions and Howard was finally convinced it was him. Sting said that he listens to the show most mornings so he's a fan of the show. Howard told Sting that he's a big fan and told him he's a genius.

Howard told Sting it was a great idea to dump the rest of the Police because he's better off without them. Howard asked why he never does the show. Sting said that he's tried to do that but he's got people around him telling him that he can't speak to him.

Sting but his girlfriend on the phone and she ended up saying something about a big dick. Sting told Howard she didn't realize she was on the radio. Howard asked Sting if he gets lonely for white people while out touring with all of the black people. Sting joked around about that a little bit.

Howard asked Sting if the words or the music come to him first. Sting said that was kind of a douche bag question. Howard said that he could ask him what kind of nipple clamps he uses on his girlfriend. Sting said that would be better.

Howard told Sting that he'd like to be friends with him. He said that he'd like to take him to a movie premiere or something. Sting was going to one that night and Howard going to one that afternoon. Robin told Sting she was going to the same one he was that night so she'd see him there.

Sting said he had to get going so he could work out at the gym. Howard told him to come to the movie screening but Sting was set on going to the gym. Howard said it was cool of him to call in and let him go.

Howard told Robin that she should jump on Sting and hump him when she sees him at the movie screening. He told her to let him touch her on her belly and everything. Howard sang ''Every Breast You Take'' when he was telling Robin to let Sting feel her up.

Gary said that Ted the Janitor and Janie the Cleaning Lady were great on the show. Gary said that Ted was naturally funny. He said they used to have to have Ted let them in the building back then because the place was locked up. Scott the Engineer said he had to ring a bell to get into the building back then because Ted was nowhere to be found.

Jackie said he loved Ted and he was one of the people that they would laugh with no matter what. He said that Pat Cooper was another one that they would laugh at every time he came in.

Robin talked about some of the fun stuff that Ted would talk about on the air like how he'd like to play ''road'' with her. She said that Ted said ''that's where you lay a woman down and black top her.'' Robin said he was very cute and it was very flattering when he would do stuff like that. She said he was never pushy and just had fun with her.

They went into a K-Rock clip where Howard talked to Robin about having sex with a listener on mic behind a curtain if they ever get an 8 rating. Robin said it would have to be something more like a 10 rating. Howard said that she has to do it if they do get an 8 share or above.

After a fast forward we heard Howard talking to Ted the Janitor about the leisure suit he was wearing. Ted heard about this contest they were holding and wanted to enter the chance to have sex with Robin. Howard said Ted would have a heart attack if he had sex with Robin. Howard said that old guys think they're still studs and that's what Ted is like. Howard said that he sees these old guys hitting on younger women and he really should take a look at himself.

Howard spent a few minutes with Ted and said that he thinks Robin wouldn't be begging for mercy, Ted would. Howard said Ted came in all dressed up in a suit but he could see his janitor suit underneath it. Howard said he may have just shot up to an 8 share with Ted in the studio.

Howard asked Robin about Ted coming on to her all the time. Robin said that he did used to do that when she'd come in. After a fast forward we heard Howard talking to Ted about sex with Robin and Ted referred to a prophylactic as a ''popalitic.'' They had some fun goofing around with Ted about that. Howard asked him what's up with that. He said that Ted was scaring him. Ted was making some weird noises and stuff while they were talking to him about that.

They played a K-Rock clip where Robin read a news story that included something about a male nurse killing some people. That got Howard talking about how he would run out of a hospital if he had a male nurse. Howard said there's something wrong with a guy having a woman's job and of course they're going to go crazy. Robin said that these people always have people talking about them in the same way too. They always say they're nice people but they were quiet and didn't have many friends.

Howard said he used to think that Fred could do something like that. Fred pointed out some of the stuff Howard does like sit home in his basement and watch TV all day long. Howard said he's much more normal than the rest of them. Robin and Fred laughed at those comments. Howard asked Gary who he thinks has a more normal life there. Fred went off on Gary before he could even answer. Fred said that Gary was a guy who would sleep with anything that moves.

Gary said that Fred has become more normal over the years. Howard said that he has but they used to talk about how afraid they were to hang out at Fred's apartment. Howard talked about Fred carrying around a shovel in the trunk of his car and how strange that was. Howard said it's kind of weird for a guy to do that. Howard said that there were no limbs in the car but he was carrying around a shovel and a ratty old blanket in the car. Fred said they all have their idiosyncrasies.

Howard continued to talk about how odd Fred is to him and how they could assume that he's a strnage guy when he won't go out with anyone and he carries aroudn a shovel. Howard said that he's not that normal to him. Fred siad that he can think what he wants about him. He thinks that he's just giving his own definition of what he thinks is normal. Howard talked about Robin not being so normal too.

After that we heard from Artie talking about how he loves when they break balls on the show, except when he's the one getting his balls broken. Artie said he could listen to the show for hours when they would bust balls like that. Artie said Howard has opened it up to a bunch of people now and they can bust Howard's balls. He said he always liked the show when they were just talking.

They played another K-Rock clip where Howard picked on Jackie about going out to do Star Search. Howard told him he thinks that's a really bad idea. He said that Jackie doesn't need that kind of show because it's not going to prove anything. Howard said he bets Jackie is going to lose. He said Jackie is very funny but funny people don't always win Star Search.

We heard Jackie talking about how Howard told him that he thought that he was never going to come back after going out there to do Star Search. He thought he was going to move out there and stay.

In another K-Rock clip we heard the day Jackie returned to the show after his Star Search appearance. Howard asked Jackie about what went on and how he lost. Howard said he knew that he was going to lose and told Jackie not to go. He said he comes off bad when he loses to some two bit amateur. Jackie didn't seem to think it was that bad.

Howard told Jackie that he's got this show to do and he doesn't need to go out and do a Star Search kind of show. He said that's the kind of show that people use when they can't get club dates. Jackie said he was up against this guy Steve O who he had actually put up at Governor's out on Long Island 5 years before. Jackie said that the audience was laughing at his jokes but not at Steve's stuff. He said he felt bad for Steve and thought he was going to lose. He said he got 3s across the board and Steve got one 4 rating from one person. He lost by half a point to the guy.

Jackie said his wife told him that he looked like he had just been hit across the face with a shovel when he heard the results. Howard said he knows Jackie and he probably thought he was going to go out there and win. Howard told Jackie that you have to be a real loser to go on that show. He was ready to throw Jackie off his show when he went out there. Howard said he's going to get the tape of his appearance on that show and play it over and over again.

After that we heard Scott the Engineer talking about Jackie's loss and how he thought he should have won. Scott said he never heard the end of that and he's probably still getting ribbed about losing on Star Search.

Jackie talked about how he had a girl there at the show tell him that he was going to win and she had never been wrong with her predictions. Jackie said that was the one time that she was wrong and it just had to be the appearance that he made.

They played another K-Rock clip where Howard talked to Jackie about the Star Search loss. He had watched it over the weekend. Howard said that Jackie should have done a different set than he did. Howard said he could have done different material and he could have won. Howard said he thought Jackie should have won but he was shaking his head ''no'' as he was saying yes. Howard said Jackie should have done a Sternac or something. He felt like he was watching a suspended animation thing.

Howard said they also put a laugh track on the show. Jackie said that they didn't add laughs to his part. They did with the other guy according to Jackie.

Howard played a clip from Star Search where they introduced Jackie and said that he could be heard on ''the radio show'' around the country. Jackie did a bunch of jokes that were kind of old. Howard said he had to have better stuff than that. Howard would cut it off and goof on Jackie about the jokes he was telling. Howard asked if he should continue it or stop. Robin said that he could stop because Jackie was using old material.

Howard played more of Jackie's jokes and continued to make fun of Jackie about the whole thing. He said that Jackie lost on Star Search and that's the lowest thing that he could have done.

After that we heard Jim Forbes saying that Fred and Jackie created game show parodies after that. Fred also talked about the way they did game shows and had people laughing at themselves the way they laugh at themselves on the show.

They played a K-Rock clip where Howard was playing ''Black Jeopardy'' with some contestants they had in the studio. He had 3 black guys in there that he was calling Bwanabe Jones and Malcolm F. They played a Jeopardy like game and were playing for some prizes.

They ended today's History of Howard Stern: Act II around 11:15am.

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